1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,837 [REPORTER] It's been four hours since David Koresh and his followers 2 00:00:04,971 --> 00:00:07,460 have refused to release themselves to the FBI 3 00:00:07,538 --> 00:00:10,236 following a bloody shootout with ATF. 4 00:00:10,376 --> 00:00:12,405 Now, details are scarce, but the question 5 00:00:12,530 --> 00:00:16,272 everyone seems to be asking, "Just when will they come out?" 6 00:00:18,217 --> 00:00:21,716 [NEWS ANCHOR] The federal agents came under heavy and sustained fire 7 00:00:21,763 --> 00:00:23,832 as they approached a ranch owned by... 8 00:00:23,959 --> 00:00:26,695 They're making us look like monsters. 9 00:00:26,828 --> 00:00:28,697 Calling us child abusers. 10 00:00:29,465 --> 00:00:32,401 Everyone's in the chapel wondering why we're not going out. 11 00:00:33,169 --> 00:00:34,703 I need you to talk to 'em. 12 00:00:34,837 --> 00:00:36,172 [NEWS ANCHOR] ...believed to have been collected 13 00:00:36,304 --> 00:00:38,140 by Branch Davidian cult members. 14 00:00:38,273 --> 00:00:39,908 [WHIRRING] 15 00:00:40,910 --> 00:00:44,813 Negotiations failed, Noesner. They reneged on their deal. 16 00:00:45,581 --> 00:00:48,050 Let me handle this. I can have the building cleared by lunch. 17 00:00:48,184 --> 00:00:50,887 Look. This isn't the first time in the history of negotiations 18 00:00:51,020 --> 00:00:53,822 that someone reneged on a deal, okay? 19 00:00:53,956 --> 00:00:57,060 Our primary objective has to be getting those kids out safely. 20 00:00:57,193 --> 00:00:58,561 Clearing the building comes second. 21 00:00:58,694 --> 00:01:00,029 They're screwing with us. 22 00:01:00,163 --> 00:01:02,230 Now's the time to apply more pressure. 23 00:01:02,365 --> 00:01:05,702 No, no, no. Let's not mistake getting even for getting what we want. 24 00:01:09,705 --> 00:01:11,673 "Trickle-flow-gush." That's my next strategy. 25 00:01:11,807 --> 00:01:13,609 If I can get a few people to trickle out, 26 00:01:13,664 --> 00:01:15,544 more will follow as it starts to flow 27 00:01:15,601 --> 00:01:17,343 and once Koresh sees enough people leave, 28 00:01:17,390 --> 00:01:19,140 he won't be the last in line. 29 00:01:19,548 --> 00:01:21,283 It would undermine his authority. 30 00:01:21,307 --> 00:01:22,951 He'll lead the rest of them out himself, 31 00:01:22,986 --> 00:01:25,188 and the whole thing will be over. 32 00:01:26,289 --> 00:01:28,257 I just need a little time. 33 00:01:28,390 --> 00:01:30,825 [SIGHS] Okay. 34 00:01:33,062 --> 00:01:34,396 But... 35 00:01:35,431 --> 00:01:39,668 a little show of force might help get their attention. 36 00:01:40,636 --> 00:01:42,104 Okay. 37 00:01:42,872 --> 00:01:43,974 [DAVID] Over the years... 38 00:01:45,340 --> 00:01:47,544 you've looked to me to be your leader. 39 00:01:48,878 --> 00:01:51,147 To guide you on this journey. 40 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,249 But I'm no leader. 41 00:01:54,384 --> 00:01:57,020 I'm a follower. Just like you. 42 00:01:58,854 --> 00:02:01,224 God has instructed me to stay here. 43 00:02:02,724 --> 00:02:05,227 And wait for His sign before I go out there. 44 00:02:07,163 --> 00:02:08,697 But I can't ask you to do the same. 45 00:02:08,831 --> 00:02:10,600 [HELICOPTER WHIRRING] 46 00:02:10,732 --> 00:02:14,871 And whoever wants to leave, you're free to go. 47 00:02:15,004 --> 00:02:17,673 But those of thinking of going, 48 00:02:18,707 --> 00:02:20,642 I want you to ask yourself... 49 00:02:22,010 --> 00:02:25,480 why did you sacrifice all the comforts you had 50 00:02:25,615 --> 00:02:27,048 to come here? 51 00:02:28,117 --> 00:02:30,754 Know it or not, you came here to be tested. 52 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:33,956 And this is a test. 53 00:02:36,492 --> 00:02:38,194 This is our withering. 54 00:02:40,595 --> 00:02:43,032 Our time to prove through suffering... 55 00:02:43,798 --> 00:02:47,069 that we are worthy of the miracle that's to come. 56 00:02:49,171 --> 00:02:50,673 [CLEARS THROAT] 57 00:02:52,708 --> 00:02:57,112 The kingdom of heaven is coming. 58 00:02:59,081 --> 00:03:02,451 And those of us that pass this test 59 00:03:02,584 --> 00:03:04,687 will be the worthy. 60 00:03:06,289 --> 00:03:08,992 And those of us that fail this test... 61 00:03:11,392 --> 00:03:14,830 well... you're gonna have to answer to God. 62 00:03:15,765 --> 00:03:18,968 [PANTING] And I can't... 63 00:03:19,736 --> 00:03:21,304 - [THUD] - [MAN] David! 64 00:03:48,188 --> 00:03:51,227 Synced and corrected by kinglouisxx www.addic7ed.com 65 00:03:53,836 --> 00:03:56,071 [WIND WHISTLING] 66 00:03:59,274 --> 00:04:01,044 [SIGHING] 67 00:04:01,877 --> 00:04:03,313 You're burning up. 68 00:04:04,279 --> 00:04:05,681 [WINCING] 69 00:04:05,814 --> 00:04:08,051 Uh, I'll get him some water. 70 00:04:09,350 --> 00:04:11,653 [PANTING] 71 00:04:18,727 --> 00:04:20,163 [PANTING] 72 00:04:41,716 --> 00:04:43,418 Which one's my dad? 73 00:04:58,201 --> 00:05:01,203 Hey. You probably shouldn't be in here. 74 00:05:01,336 --> 00:05:04,105 You know that old myrtle tree outside? 75 00:05:04,239 --> 00:05:05,908 - The one out front? - Yeah. 76 00:05:06,042 --> 00:05:07,443 [THIBODEAU] Mm-hmm. 77 00:05:09,978 --> 00:05:12,314 My dad and I planted it when I was five. 78 00:05:15,050 --> 00:05:17,219 He loved that old tree. 79 00:05:19,420 --> 00:05:22,057 He always wanted to be buried next to it. 80 00:05:24,793 --> 00:05:26,494 And now, look. 81 00:05:26,629 --> 00:05:30,833 Instead, he's getting buried with buckets and shovels like... 82 00:05:30,966 --> 00:05:33,336 - like a piece of garbage. - Hey. 83 00:05:34,802 --> 00:05:36,973 - [SOBS] - Hey. 84 00:05:42,244 --> 00:05:43,413 [WHIRRING] 85 00:05:48,516 --> 00:05:50,352 [WHIRRING] 86 00:05:55,958 --> 00:05:58,261 [FAINT RUMBLING] 87 00:06:07,836 --> 00:06:09,838 [WHIRRING] 88 00:06:11,607 --> 00:06:12,674 [CLICKS] 89 00:06:12,807 --> 00:06:14,977 Get back. Get back. 90 00:06:16,278 --> 00:06:18,814 [STEVE] You promised to stay off our land. 91 00:06:18,946 --> 00:06:21,316 Well, David made a promise, too. 92 00:06:21,449 --> 00:06:24,486 He gave us his word, after his message was played, he'd come out. 93 00:06:24,619 --> 00:06:28,523 He didn't come out. He... he broke his promise. 94 00:06:29,792 --> 00:06:31,160 Could you put him on the phone? 95 00:06:31,292 --> 00:06:32,727 No. He doesn't want to talk to you right now. 96 00:06:33,494 --> 00:06:35,396 [GARY] Look, Steve, my bosses are frustrated. 97 00:06:35,530 --> 00:06:37,465 They don't understand why you didn't come out. 98 00:06:37,598 --> 00:06:40,633 Look, I'm embarrassed about that, on a personal level. 99 00:06:40,727 --> 00:06:42,649 We were gonna come out, but... 100 00:06:42,868 --> 00:06:44,868 God told David that we needed to wait. 101 00:06:44,973 --> 00:06:48,110 - God told him? - Yeah, just like you guys 102 00:06:48,242 --> 00:06:51,590 follow a higher authority, we do too. 103 00:06:52,433 --> 00:06:53,989 Okay. So, what now? 104 00:06:55,050 --> 00:07:00,256 So, now, we wait for a sign from God to tell us to come out. 105 00:07:04,660 --> 00:07:06,362 Look... 106 00:07:07,263 --> 00:07:11,267 I know this all probably sounds funny to you. 107 00:07:12,434 --> 00:07:13,836 But... 108 00:07:13,968 --> 00:07:18,004 what if there is a higher power than you or I, Gary? 109 00:07:18,706 --> 00:07:22,812 And that higher power, He speaks to David? 110 00:07:24,079 --> 00:07:26,380 If there is a God in this universe, 111 00:07:26,514 --> 00:07:29,350 and you've got the laws of man and the laws of God, 112 00:07:29,484 --> 00:07:33,455 and that God that has led David his entire life 113 00:07:33,588 --> 00:07:36,091 says to him, "Wait." 114 00:07:37,393 --> 00:07:39,361 I mean, what is he supposed to do? 115 00:07:39,494 --> 00:07:41,129 Well, I have to be honest with you, Steve. 116 00:07:41,263 --> 00:07:43,298 I don't know how my bosses are gonna respond 117 00:07:43,432 --> 00:07:46,302 when I tell them we're waiting for a sign from God. 118 00:07:47,936 --> 00:07:50,907 You know, what I could really use is a sign of good faith. 119 00:07:52,307 --> 00:07:54,377 If David could send some of the people out. 120 00:07:54,463 --> 00:07:56,713 What, do you think we're hostages here? 121 00:07:56,995 --> 00:07:58,995 No one is a hostage here, Gary. 122 00:07:59,081 --> 00:08:02,336 Everyone is free to come and go as they please. 123 00:08:03,518 --> 00:08:05,187 Then why isn't anyone coming out? 124 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:07,956 Because, right now, everyone feels safer in here 125 00:08:08,090 --> 00:08:10,159 than they do out there with you. 126 00:08:10,292 --> 00:08:13,123 And because once you get into this building, 127 00:08:13,264 --> 00:08:14,542 you're going to be able to mess with 128 00:08:14,575 --> 00:08:16,170 the evidence in any way that you want. 129 00:08:16,217 --> 00:08:18,634 And you can make up any story that you want, 130 00:08:18,766 --> 00:08:20,302 but if this building stands, 131 00:08:20,436 --> 00:08:23,472 and the reporters and the press get to see the evidence, 132 00:08:23,535 --> 00:08:26,338 then it is going to be clearly shown what happened here, 133 00:08:26,362 --> 00:08:30,045 what these men... what your men came in here to do. 134 00:08:31,913 --> 00:08:34,682 - You want us to come out? - David, listen. You've gotta... 135 00:08:34,816 --> 00:08:37,318 Then why are you bringing these tanks in here? 136 00:08:37,452 --> 00:08:40,788 Do you know what that tells me? [PANTING] 137 00:08:40,922 --> 00:08:42,491 That this is war. 138 00:08:44,259 --> 00:08:47,562 Why are you sending all these people in here, guns a-blazing? 139 00:08:47,696 --> 00:08:49,331 For war, Gary. 140 00:08:50,231 --> 00:08:52,201 - [HELICOPTER WHIRRING] - And now, these tanks? 141 00:08:52,335 --> 00:08:54,235 And these guys surrounding us? 142 00:08:55,803 --> 00:08:57,980 You say you want us to come out, 143 00:08:58,495 --> 00:09:00,933 but it sure doesn't look like that to us. 144 00:09:02,577 --> 00:09:04,212 David, I... 145 00:09:09,485 --> 00:09:10,653 [GASPS] 146 00:09:11,954 --> 00:09:14,123 [GRUNTS] 147 00:09:16,091 --> 00:09:17,393 [SIGHS] 148 00:09:24,066 --> 00:09:25,701 "Personal level." 149 00:09:27,235 --> 00:09:28,703 "On a personal level." 150 00:09:29,772 --> 00:09:31,641 What'd we just learn from this conversation? 151 00:09:31,773 --> 00:09:34,243 That they'll do whatever this Koresh guy tells 'em. 152 00:09:34,375 --> 00:09:36,178 No, we already knew that. 153 00:09:37,029 --> 00:09:38,670 But Steve said that he was embarrassed 154 00:09:38,732 --> 00:09:40,139 about that "on a personal level." 155 00:09:40,249 --> 00:09:42,149 He's separating himself from Koresh. 156 00:09:42,917 --> 00:09:44,586 - Saying he doesn't agree. - Huh. 157 00:09:45,353 --> 00:09:47,489 What can you tell me about this Steve Schneider? 158 00:09:47,623 --> 00:09:51,160 Uh, well, he was a professor of theology at the University of Hawaii. 159 00:09:51,293 --> 00:09:53,662 - Uh-huh. - He's originally from Wisconsin. 160 00:09:53,794 --> 00:09:56,163 He and his wife joined the group six years ago. 161 00:09:56,271 --> 00:09:57,796 He's their star recruiter. 162 00:09:57,820 --> 00:09:59,468 The group has nearly doubled since he joined. 163 00:09:59,522 --> 00:10:01,569 - Really? - Our informant says 164 00:10:01,704 --> 00:10:03,872 that he's the glue that keeps this place together. 165 00:10:04,005 --> 00:10:05,473 And get this. 166 00:10:05,606 --> 00:10:07,308 His wife, Judy, 167 00:10:07,441 --> 00:10:09,445 recently had a baby with Koresh. 168 00:10:09,577 --> 00:10:13,448 [WHISTLES] That can't be good for the relationship. 169 00:10:13,581 --> 00:10:14,582 Yeah. 170 00:10:14,716 --> 00:10:16,518 [WALTER CHUCKLES] 171 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,488 If Steve brought most of these people in, 172 00:10:19,620 --> 00:10:22,290 I would guess he feels responsible for their well-being. 173 00:10:22,423 --> 00:10:26,528 Right? Let's focus all our attention on him. 174 00:10:27,296 --> 00:10:30,266 If we can break Steve away, this whole thing ends. 175 00:10:35,137 --> 00:10:37,539 [STEVE] David...? 176 00:10:38,340 --> 00:10:40,343 [VOICE ECHOES] Can you hear me? 177 00:10:41,509 --> 00:10:43,611 I'd like to send some people out. 178 00:10:44,379 --> 00:10:46,782 Jaydean's kids are without a mother, 179 00:10:46,914 --> 00:10:51,786 and Margaret and Catherine, they're just... 180 00:10:51,921 --> 00:10:53,321 they're just too old for this. 181 00:10:53,456 --> 00:10:55,423 [RACHEL] We are running low on food. 182 00:10:56,225 --> 00:10:58,194 And our water supply is real bad. 183 00:11:00,229 --> 00:11:02,532 The less mouths to feed, the better. 184 00:11:05,701 --> 00:11:06,601 [KNOCKING] 185 00:11:08,336 --> 00:11:10,605 - Well, that's getting worse. - Yeah. 186 00:11:11,572 --> 00:11:12,574 Let me see. 187 00:11:13,674 --> 00:11:14,709 It hurts real bad. 188 00:11:15,677 --> 00:11:17,112 [STEVE] Ooh-whee. 189 00:11:18,379 --> 00:11:20,081 - Hey. - Hmm? 190 00:11:21,082 --> 00:11:24,687 - I'm thinking you should go. - Well, is David going? 191 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,389 [SIGHS] No. 192 00:11:29,523 --> 00:11:31,927 - Then I'm not going. - Look at your finger. 193 00:11:32,060 --> 00:11:36,499 If that infection spreads, you... I mean, you could lose your hand. 194 00:11:36,632 --> 00:11:38,534 - I know. - You could lose your life. 195 00:11:38,667 --> 00:11:41,771 It hurts so bad, I can't sleep. 196 00:11:44,139 --> 00:11:45,307 Cut it off. 197 00:11:46,173 --> 00:11:47,175 What? 198 00:11:47,308 --> 00:11:48,242 I'm gonna lose it anyway, Steve. 199 00:11:48,376 --> 00:11:49,778 - Cut it off. - No! 200 00:11:50,812 --> 00:11:53,181 Has everyone around here lost their minds? 201 00:11:53,948 --> 00:11:56,717 Nobody's cutting your finger off! And I'm sending you outside 202 00:11:56,851 --> 00:11:58,486 - to get medical attention. - No, you're not! 203 00:11:58,619 --> 00:12:00,523 - Yes I am... - No, you are not! 204 00:12:06,762 --> 00:12:09,698 I just got off the phone. They're sending four people out. 205 00:12:09,831 --> 00:12:12,901 - Two of 'em, kids. - That's a start. 206 00:12:13,033 --> 00:12:15,102 Four people seems hardly cause for celebration. 207 00:12:15,236 --> 00:12:18,773 Well, they're starting to trickle out. The strategy's working. 208 00:12:20,741 --> 00:12:23,178 Now, you think you can help me coordinate bringing 'em out? 209 00:12:26,281 --> 00:12:27,383 Yeah, sure. 210 00:12:31,653 --> 00:12:33,422 [BABY MOANS] 211 00:12:56,912 --> 00:13:00,249 [WHINING] Mama. 212 00:13:00,382 --> 00:13:02,385 Mama. Ma... 213 00:13:13,994 --> 00:13:15,431 Hey, there. 214 00:13:17,264 --> 00:13:20,235 I'm Gary. What's your name? 215 00:13:22,171 --> 00:13:24,105 - Leona. - Leona? 216 00:13:24,239 --> 00:13:26,242 Such a pretty name. 217 00:13:28,210 --> 00:13:31,446 Hey, why don't we call your mom and tell her you're okay? 218 00:13:34,116 --> 00:13:37,520 - We can't call her. - Why not? 219 00:13:38,025 --> 00:13:39,961 Because you killed her. 220 00:13:43,292 --> 00:13:44,793 [SIGHS] 221 00:13:55,276 --> 00:13:57,579 - Hey, Steve? - Yep? 222 00:13:58,981 --> 00:14:01,582 I was wondering if you could talk to the FBI about Perry. 223 00:14:01,717 --> 00:14:04,186 See if they'll let us bury his body outside. 224 00:14:05,353 --> 00:14:07,455 I asked you to bury his body in the storm shelter. 225 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,147 - I know. It's just... Michelle. - Mm-hmm. 226 00:14:10,408 --> 00:14:12,085 I know it would mean a lot to her 227 00:14:12,163 --> 00:14:13,366 if we could bury him by the myrtle tree... 228 00:14:13,462 --> 00:14:16,045 It's impossible. It's not gonna happen. 229 00:14:16,432 --> 00:14:18,735 Could you just ask? Please? 230 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,223 [SIGHS] I can try. 231 00:14:23,082 --> 00:14:25,353 [RON] All right, today, we got something a little different for y'all. 232 00:14:25,447 --> 00:14:28,767 Our guest today is a Dr. James Tabor, professor of... what was it? 233 00:14:28,846 --> 00:14:31,182 I specialize in emergent religions. 234 00:14:31,316 --> 00:14:32,984 Emergent religions. 235 00:14:33,117 --> 00:14:36,553 Let's talk about your interest in this Branch Davidian cult. 236 00:14:36,687 --> 00:14:38,956 Yeah, I'm gonna stop you right there, Ron. 237 00:14:39,724 --> 00:14:42,727 I would propose that there's no such thing as a cult. 238 00:14:42,860 --> 00:14:45,862 "Cult" is a judgment word used to talk about somebody else's 239 00:14:45,996 --> 00:14:47,798 tightly-knit religious group. 240 00:14:47,932 --> 00:14:50,969 Nobody in the world belongs to what they see as a cult. 241 00:14:51,101 --> 00:14:53,837 [RON] Yeah, but there are certain traits you think of 242 00:14:53,971 --> 00:14:56,573 - when you think of a cult. - [TABOR] That's true. 243 00:14:56,706 --> 00:15:00,878 The early Christians, by our definition, belonged to a cult. 244 00:15:01,011 --> 00:15:03,581 [RON] So you're saying Jesus was a cult leader? 245 00:15:04,349 --> 00:15:06,184 [TABOR] I wasn't saying it exactly like that, 246 00:15:06,317 --> 00:15:10,855 but by the common definition of "cult," yes. 247 00:15:10,987 --> 00:15:14,858 [RON] Oh, that got the phones ringing. You done it now, Dr. Tabor. 248 00:15:16,259 --> 00:15:20,731 Excuse me. My son is in Mt. Carmel, and I need to talk to him. 249 00:15:21,731 --> 00:15:23,601 How did you get past the barricade? 250 00:15:23,735 --> 00:15:27,337 Listen, I am not altogether sure how he got mixed up in all this mess, 251 00:15:27,471 --> 00:15:30,040 but I know if I could talk to him, if I could just speak to him, 252 00:15:30,174 --> 00:15:32,309 that I could get him to come out. 253 00:15:33,077 --> 00:15:34,578 I'm sorry, I can't let you do that. 254 00:15:34,712 --> 00:15:36,247 - Why not? - Because I don't wanna give him 255 00:15:36,380 --> 00:15:39,517 or anyone in there the chance to tie up loose ends. 256 00:15:41,253 --> 00:15:43,687 You think that they're gonna kill themselves? 257 00:15:44,487 --> 00:15:45,722 Doesn't matter what I think. 258 00:15:46,490 --> 00:15:49,193 But I'm not gonna give them a chance to say goodbye either way. 259 00:15:49,327 --> 00:15:51,029 Please escort her back behind the checkpoint. 260 00:15:51,163 --> 00:15:53,130 I just wanna know if he's all right. 261 00:15:53,264 --> 00:15:54,599 His name is David Thibodeau. 262 00:15:54,731 --> 00:15:56,500 The news reports aren't releasing any names. 263 00:15:56,634 --> 00:15:59,736 I'm sorry, ma'am. I don't have any more information at this time. 264 00:15:59,870 --> 00:16:03,774 I just need to know if he's alive! Please! 265 00:16:07,345 --> 00:16:09,314 [RACHEL] David, your fever's not breaking. 266 00:16:09,447 --> 00:16:12,551 I'm afraid you're going to die if we don't get you help. 267 00:16:14,719 --> 00:16:16,088 [DAVID MURMURS] 268 00:16:17,087 --> 00:16:18,956 It's all part of God's plan. 269 00:16:19,090 --> 00:16:22,127 No. I just lost my father. I'm not gonna lose you, too. 270 00:16:23,094 --> 00:16:24,863 [PHONE RINGS] 271 00:16:28,299 --> 00:16:31,001 - Hello? - [GARY] Hello. Who's this? 272 00:16:32,903 --> 00:16:35,840 - Cyrus. - David's son. 273 00:16:35,972 --> 00:16:37,841 - Yeah. - Well, hello, Cyrus. 274 00:16:37,975 --> 00:16:40,010 Can you put your dad on the phone? 275 00:16:41,846 --> 00:16:44,081 Are you gonna kill me? 276 00:16:44,849 --> 00:16:48,954 [GULPS] No. No one's going to kill you. 277 00:16:49,721 --> 00:16:50,956 [STEVE] Cyrus? 278 00:16:51,755 --> 00:16:53,125 Thanks, buddy. 279 00:16:54,491 --> 00:16:56,060 Come here. 280 00:16:57,127 --> 00:16:58,328 Hello, this is Steve Schneider. 281 00:16:59,663 --> 00:17:02,299 Oh, hey, Steve. Just wanted to give you a quick call 282 00:17:02,432 --> 00:17:04,801 and let you know that everybody arrived safe. 283 00:17:04,935 --> 00:17:08,338 Good. Well, I hope that shows you what we're about. 284 00:17:09,317 --> 00:17:11,075 We wanna see this resolved peacefully. 285 00:17:11,209 --> 00:17:15,078 Of course. I can tell you're the voice of reason in there. 286 00:17:15,211 --> 00:17:18,648 I bet people count on you to make sure they're taken care of. 287 00:17:18,782 --> 00:17:20,784 [STEVE] I'm not sure that's true. 288 00:17:20,917 --> 00:17:22,446 Well, from what I hear, 289 00:17:22,485 --> 00:17:24,485 you're the reason the group's grown like it has. 290 00:17:24,622 --> 00:17:27,991 The reason that the group has grown is because of David's teaching, 291 00:17:28,125 --> 00:17:29,627 not because of anything I'm doing. 292 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,163 I think you're being modest. 293 00:17:32,730 --> 00:17:34,632 Knowing everything you know now... 294 00:17:35,398 --> 00:17:38,569 are you happy you brought all those people in there? 295 00:17:39,336 --> 00:17:41,338 I'm not sure what you're driving at, Gary. 296 00:17:41,471 --> 00:17:45,844 Well, do you think David has everyone's best interest in mind? 297 00:17:50,748 --> 00:17:52,884 Yeah. I do. 298 00:17:53,017 --> 00:17:55,286 Because, forgive me for saying this, 299 00:17:55,420 --> 00:17:58,556 but I can't help but notice a trend that when God comes to talk 300 00:17:58,690 --> 00:18:00,725 to modern-day prophets, 301 00:18:01,492 --> 00:18:03,693 it seems one thing He always tells them to do 302 00:18:03,827 --> 00:18:06,430 is have sex with lots of young women. 303 00:18:07,364 --> 00:18:10,401 Well, that's a pretty cynical view of what we're doing here. 304 00:18:10,534 --> 00:18:13,037 I'm not sure I appreciate your tone with that one. 305 00:18:13,170 --> 00:18:16,407 - Then explain it to me. - I'm not stupid. 306 00:18:16,540 --> 00:18:20,243 I know you're trying to create dissent between me and David. 307 00:18:21,011 --> 00:18:23,214 You're right, I am. 'Cause you know what I think? 308 00:18:24,115 --> 00:18:26,384 I think David's dying, 309 00:18:26,517 --> 00:18:28,719 and I think he doesn't mind bringing all of you with him. 310 00:18:28,853 --> 00:18:30,788 You know, Gary, where you've got this all wrong, 311 00:18:30,921 --> 00:18:32,690 the thing that you're missing... 312 00:18:32,823 --> 00:18:34,392 is this is real. 313 00:18:34,525 --> 00:18:36,994 I do believe that David is the Lamb of God. 314 00:18:37,127 --> 00:18:39,163 Not because of any trick he's pulled, 315 00:18:39,297 --> 00:18:43,134 but because of what I have seen with my own two eyes. 316 00:18:43,268 --> 00:18:48,472 But he's lost his way, Steve. I think you can see it. 317 00:18:49,641 --> 00:18:54,512 For years, David has been prophesying exactly what is happening here. 318 00:18:54,644 --> 00:18:57,615 From the way you came in, to the tanks, the soldiers, everything. 319 00:18:57,748 --> 00:19:00,552 I can't figure out another explanation that makes any sense. 320 00:19:01,318 --> 00:19:04,856 For a minor weapons violation? All this? 321 00:19:04,989 --> 00:19:06,958 You think he's lost his way? 322 00:19:07,090 --> 00:19:11,295 Everything David has prophesied has come true. 323 00:19:15,866 --> 00:19:17,769 [SIGHS] 324 00:19:25,375 --> 00:19:27,677 Hey, guys, stay away from the window. 325 00:19:27,811 --> 00:19:29,713 - It's not safe. - [HELICOPTER WHIRRING] 326 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,621 [CYRUS] Why are they doing that? 327 00:19:37,754 --> 00:19:39,256 I don't know. 328 00:19:39,390 --> 00:19:41,292 Come on. Let's go. 329 00:19:42,326 --> 00:19:45,230 - [HELICOPTER WHIRRING] - [WALTER] What's going on? 330 00:19:47,766 --> 00:19:49,300 [SIGHS] 331 00:19:49,432 --> 00:19:51,535 What goes through people's heads, you know? 332 00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:54,872 I mean, these HRT guys, what makes grown men act like that? 333 00:19:55,006 --> 00:19:57,875 They're mooning kids, for God's sake. 334 00:19:58,008 --> 00:19:59,744 They're just built that way. 335 00:20:00,577 --> 00:20:03,882 The sad thing is, the Davidians can't tell us apart from them. 336 00:20:08,251 --> 00:20:10,254 I need you to get me a video camera. 337 00:20:11,989 --> 00:20:14,025 Ready? How's my hair? 338 00:20:14,157 --> 00:20:15,759 It's about as good as it's gonna get. 339 00:20:15,893 --> 00:20:17,694 - Knock it off. - [LAUGHS] 340 00:20:17,827 --> 00:20:19,364 All right. We're good. 341 00:20:20,765 --> 00:20:23,868 Hello. I'm Gary Noesner. 342 00:20:24,702 --> 00:20:26,404 The notorious. 343 00:20:26,537 --> 00:20:28,940 And... 344 00:20:29,073 --> 00:20:30,508 this is my family. 345 00:20:32,009 --> 00:20:33,677 Yeah, that's my wife, Carol, there, 346 00:20:33,811 --> 00:20:38,782 and my kids, Kelly, Katy, and Rusty, and I love 'em. 347 00:20:38,915 --> 00:20:41,452 I'm sure you love your kids the same way. 348 00:20:41,585 --> 00:20:45,190 And there is literally nothing I wouldn't do to keep my children safe. 349 00:20:46,690 --> 00:20:48,759 I'm sure we share that feeling. 350 00:20:50,894 --> 00:20:53,231 Now, any way you look at it, this is a bad situation, 351 00:20:53,364 --> 00:20:58,169 but I wanna make sure that your kids remain safe through it all. 352 00:20:59,036 --> 00:21:01,139 So, please... 353 00:21:02,073 --> 00:21:03,941 please work with me. 354 00:21:04,741 --> 00:21:05,909 Help me keep your kids safe. 355 00:21:06,042 --> 00:21:08,245 [WHIRRING] 356 00:21:09,881 --> 00:21:11,449 [BABY CRYING] 357 00:21:12,449 --> 00:21:13,551 [WHISPERS] Rachel? 358 00:21:15,586 --> 00:21:17,255 [BABY CRYING] 359 00:21:18,055 --> 00:21:20,423 Hey, I got a weird question. 360 00:21:20,557 --> 00:21:21,860 Y'know, I... 361 00:21:23,827 --> 00:21:27,197 Uh... I'm not producing any milk. 362 00:21:28,499 --> 00:21:32,169 And... I was wondering if you had some to spare for Mayanah. 363 00:21:32,301 --> 00:21:36,039 I'm having the same problem. All the mothers are. 364 00:21:36,839 --> 00:21:40,278 - You are? - Yeah. Sorry. 365 00:21:40,411 --> 00:21:43,782 - Oh, God. - [RACHEL SNIFFLES] 366 00:21:43,914 --> 00:21:45,916 All right. 367 00:21:47,751 --> 00:21:50,187 - [BABY CRYING] - Shh, shh, shh... 368 00:21:51,888 --> 00:21:53,756 [GROANS] 369 00:21:53,891 --> 00:21:56,060 This universe is mine. 370 00:21:56,192 --> 00:21:57,360 [WALTER] I can't believe Koresh likes this. 371 00:21:57,493 --> 00:21:59,096 I am God here! 372 00:21:59,896 --> 00:22:01,899 - Jesus. - [CHUCKLES] 373 00:22:02,967 --> 00:22:05,036 - I don't get this movie. - Mm. 374 00:22:05,169 --> 00:22:07,438 I can't say it makes my top 10 list either. 375 00:22:07,571 --> 00:22:10,040 [MAN ON VIDEO] You're wrong. You need to be led... 376 00:22:10,173 --> 00:22:11,208 - [PHONE RINGING] - Ready? 377 00:22:11,342 --> 00:22:13,277 - Yeah. - [MONITOR BEEPS] 378 00:22:14,045 --> 00:22:16,214 - Hello? - Hey, Gary, it's Steve. 379 00:22:16,346 --> 00:22:20,151 Um, we just wanted to say thanks for sending the videotape. 380 00:22:20,284 --> 00:22:21,752 We understand what you're trying to do, 381 00:22:21,884 --> 00:22:24,387 and we really appreciate you making that effort. 382 00:22:24,521 --> 00:22:27,023 I just wanted you to know that there's some people out here 383 00:22:27,156 --> 00:22:29,259 who care about what happens to you, that's all. 384 00:22:29,393 --> 00:22:31,194 Yeah. Um... 385 00:22:31,327 --> 00:22:34,365 I do have one small problem, 386 00:22:34,498 --> 00:22:37,201 and I could really use your help. 387 00:22:37,335 --> 00:22:39,370 - What kinda problem? - [SIGHS] So... 388 00:22:39,502 --> 00:22:41,538 I guess because of the stress of all this, 389 00:22:42,539 --> 00:22:47,443 the mothers who are nursing have... have stopped lactating. 390 00:22:47,577 --> 00:22:51,014 So... we need milk. 391 00:22:51,147 --> 00:22:53,916 For the babies. Could you send some in? 392 00:22:54,684 --> 00:22:58,154 - Let me talk to my bosses. - Okay. Thanks, Gary. 393 00:22:58,288 --> 00:22:59,590 You bet. 394 00:23:02,826 --> 00:23:06,530 No, I'm not throwing them a picnic on national TV. 395 00:23:06,663 --> 00:23:08,965 They want milk, they can come out and get it. 396 00:23:09,098 --> 00:23:13,570 Look. Usually the people I negotiate with are backed into a corner. 397 00:23:13,704 --> 00:23:17,040 They need something. And that's what gives me leverage. 398 00:23:17,174 --> 00:23:20,711 But these people, they just want us to go away. 399 00:23:20,845 --> 00:23:23,547 The only way I've been able to motivate them is with goodwill. 400 00:23:23,681 --> 00:23:27,351 But now, their babies need milk, and we can give it to them. 401 00:23:28,519 --> 00:23:31,455 This is something we can build on. We can use this. 402 00:23:33,023 --> 00:23:35,925 So, Steve, I talked to my bosses, 403 00:23:36,059 --> 00:23:37,561 and they're gonna give you the milk. 404 00:23:37,694 --> 00:23:39,496 Aw, Gary. [SIGHS] 405 00:23:39,631 --> 00:23:42,033 Thank you. I really appreciate that. 406 00:23:42,932 --> 00:23:46,471 But there's one condition. You're gonna have to send some kids out. 407 00:23:49,173 --> 00:23:53,310 Wait. Um... let me just make sure I'm hearing you correctly. 408 00:23:54,111 --> 00:23:56,514 Um, you want us to trade... 409 00:23:57,815 --> 00:23:58,982 our kids for the milk? 410 00:23:59,750 --> 00:24:01,918 I wouldn't really put it like that. I'm just saying that... 411 00:24:02,052 --> 00:24:03,768 Look, I don't wanna point out the obvious, 412 00:24:03,792 --> 00:24:06,292 but if we send out our kids, then we won't need the milk, will we? 413 00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:07,291 Steve? 414 00:24:07,423 --> 00:24:09,961 - Yeah? - May I? 415 00:24:10,994 --> 00:24:13,430 Um, yeah. David wants to talk to you. 416 00:24:14,198 --> 00:24:16,000 Yeah, how much milk we talking here, Gary? 417 00:24:16,133 --> 00:24:17,735 - David... - Two quarts per kid? Three? 418 00:24:17,868 --> 00:24:20,771 I mean, some kids gotta be worth more than others. 419 00:24:20,904 --> 00:24:22,589 Cyrus, my son, he's eight, 420 00:24:22,613 --> 00:24:25,534 but he can fix any car engine you put in front of him. 421 00:24:25,642 --> 00:24:29,346 That's gotta be worth, what, at least three quarts and a milkshake? 422 00:24:30,114 --> 00:24:31,281 You people. 423 00:24:32,048 --> 00:24:33,684 [HANDSET CLICKS] 424 00:24:34,652 --> 00:24:35,686 [SIGHS] 425 00:24:35,819 --> 00:24:37,821 You shouldn't have done that. 426 00:24:37,954 --> 00:24:39,456 You know we have to work with them. 427 00:24:40,404 --> 00:24:41,458 Yeah, well... 428 00:24:41,592 --> 00:24:43,995 good luck with that, Steve. 429 00:24:59,992 --> 00:25:03,697 Rachel? This is how I'd like to ration out the food and water. 430 00:25:04,261 --> 00:25:05,495 Can you take care of that? 431 00:25:05,629 --> 00:25:07,167 No one's gonna be happy with this. 432 00:25:07,245 --> 00:25:10,335 Well, if they don't like it, they're welcome to leave. 433 00:25:12,027 --> 00:25:15,231 Steve. Steve, did you get any news about the milk? 434 00:25:15,365 --> 00:25:19,769 Yeah. I'm... I'm... I'm working on it. I promise. 435 00:25:19,902 --> 00:25:21,946 Hey, Steve, have you had a chance to talk to the FBI about Perry? 436 00:25:22,009 --> 00:25:25,542 Look, Thibs, just bury the body like I asked you. Okay? 437 00:25:31,413 --> 00:25:33,349 - [GARY] You get bacon on yours? - [WALTER] Yeah. 438 00:25:33,482 --> 00:25:37,220 Oh. I shoulda gotten bacon on mine. 439 00:25:38,889 --> 00:25:42,158 You know, that's how we stopped the Clarksville prison riot. 440 00:25:42,292 --> 00:25:44,127 - With bacon? - Oh, yeah. 441 00:25:45,194 --> 00:25:48,364 It was after day eight, and we took a bunch of bacon 442 00:25:48,498 --> 00:25:50,668 and threw it on some coals. 443 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,703 The prisoners smelled it and were instantly overcome with hunger. 444 00:25:53,836 --> 00:25:55,044 And I told them, 445 00:25:55,083 --> 00:25:57,232 if they came out, they could eat as much as they want. 446 00:25:58,342 --> 00:26:01,711 Never underestimate what a hungry man will do for bacon. 447 00:26:01,844 --> 00:26:03,579 Shame the Davidians don't eat pork. 448 00:26:03,712 --> 00:26:05,281 - It is. - [CHUCKLES] 449 00:26:07,517 --> 00:26:09,518 [MAN ON RADIO] We've got movement outside the compound. 450 00:26:09,652 --> 00:26:11,454 - All agents to their posts. - Shit. 451 00:26:11,587 --> 00:26:13,324 Prepare to fire on command. 452 00:26:14,223 --> 00:26:15,791 [PHONE RINGS] 453 00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:18,494 - It's Steve. - Steve! What's going on? 454 00:26:18,628 --> 00:26:20,672 Tactical says someone exited the compound. 455 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:22,700 Shit! 456 00:26:29,105 --> 00:26:31,007 It's Thibodeau. He's unarmed! 457 00:26:31,141 --> 00:26:33,844 He's just trying to bury a body. Please don't shoot him! 458 00:26:33,977 --> 00:26:35,078 Okay, hang on, Steve. 459 00:26:35,210 --> 00:26:37,046 - Where's Decker? - I don't know. 460 00:26:38,382 --> 00:26:40,750 [DISPATCHER] Copy sniper one, sniper one, you got the loop. 461 00:26:46,722 --> 00:26:49,526 - [WAYNE] Steve! - Get out of my way! 462 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,962 Thibs! You gotta get back in here! 463 00:27:00,603 --> 00:27:02,104 Tell your man to stand down! 464 00:27:02,238 --> 00:27:04,575 This is a tactical decision. It's not your call, Gary. 465 00:27:04,708 --> 00:27:06,610 No, no. He's just trying to bury a body. 466 00:27:06,742 --> 00:27:08,443 And I'm telling you, you don't know what he's burying. 467 00:27:08,577 --> 00:27:09,913 That could be a bomb, for all we know. 468 00:27:10,046 --> 00:27:11,681 Damn it, I'm telling you, the kid's unarmed. 469 00:27:11,815 --> 00:27:13,315 And I'm telling you, you don't know that, Gary. 470 00:27:13,450 --> 00:27:15,751 Now, I can't have people strolling outside, 471 00:27:15,884 --> 00:27:18,087 walking around, looking at our positions on things. 472 00:27:18,220 --> 00:27:20,390 The kid is trying to bury one of his dead, Mitch. 473 00:27:20,524 --> 00:27:24,561 They let the ATF take their wounded away. Show 'em the same respect. 474 00:27:24,694 --> 00:27:28,163 They lost my respect when they started killing federal agents, Gary. 475 00:27:28,297 --> 00:27:30,599 All right, all right. You want another Ruby Ridge on your hands? 476 00:27:30,734 --> 00:27:32,436 - Yeah. - Go ahead, shoot that boy. 477 00:27:32,568 --> 00:27:34,103 But just remember, the ATF's not gonna be around 478 00:27:34,237 --> 00:27:36,473 - to take the blame this time! - I don't give a shit! 479 00:27:39,875 --> 00:27:43,012 Requesting permission to take the shot. Over. 480 00:27:44,381 --> 00:27:46,682 [SNIPER] I have the target in my view. 481 00:27:46,815 --> 00:27:48,786 [MUTTERS] 482 00:27:50,353 --> 00:27:54,691 Repeat, requesting permission to take the shot. Over. 483 00:28:00,497 --> 00:28:01,832 Stand down. 484 00:28:25,710 --> 00:28:27,556 Thank you. Good morning, everyone. 485 00:28:28,324 --> 00:28:30,524 A few days ago, the FBI learned 486 00:28:30,572 --> 00:28:33,103 that the Branch Davidians ran out of milk. 487 00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:35,733 And they are no longer able to feed their children. 488 00:28:35,865 --> 00:28:37,533 Nice of them to tell the truth for once. 489 00:28:37,667 --> 00:28:39,402 Numerous attempts have been made by the FBI 490 00:28:39,536 --> 00:28:41,772 to deliver milk for their babies, 491 00:28:41,904 --> 00:28:43,373 but they have all been refused. 492 00:28:44,207 --> 00:28:48,579 It seems they are using their own children as pawns in this thing. 493 00:28:49,379 --> 00:28:51,481 David Koresh... 494 00:28:52,282 --> 00:28:54,484 let us bring milk to those children. 495 00:28:54,616 --> 00:28:57,820 Pawns, Gary? We're using our kids as pawns? 496 00:28:57,955 --> 00:29:00,290 - Is that what you think? - No, it's not. 497 00:29:00,423 --> 00:29:02,124 Then why are they saying that on TV? 498 00:29:02,892 --> 00:29:04,695 - I don't know. - Your boss said 499 00:29:04,827 --> 00:29:06,863 they have made attempts to deliver milk. 500 00:29:06,996 --> 00:29:09,466 Now, when did that happen? Because we've been here the entire time, 501 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,769 and I don't recall anyone knocking on our door! 502 00:29:12,769 --> 00:29:15,937 Steve, look. I wanna get you that milk. That's the God's honest truth. 503 00:29:16,072 --> 00:29:18,708 But you're gonna have to let out some of the kids in return. 504 00:29:18,842 --> 00:29:21,143 I'm sorry, Gary. That's not gonna happen. 505 00:29:22,276 --> 00:29:23,579 - [LINE CLICKS] - [SIGHS] 506 00:29:26,315 --> 00:29:27,717 [SIGHS] 507 00:29:27,851 --> 00:29:30,152 [REPORTER] With cult leader David Koresh 508 00:29:30,286 --> 00:29:32,288 becoming less involved in direct negotiations, 509 00:29:32,421 --> 00:29:35,793 authorities suspect his wounds may be getting worse. 510 00:29:35,925 --> 00:29:40,028 Agents told cult members that those not charged with serious offenses 511 00:29:40,162 --> 00:29:42,798 eventually will be allowed to return to the compound 512 00:29:42,931 --> 00:29:45,267 once it's cleared of the crime scene. 513 00:29:45,401 --> 00:29:48,438 - Sheriff Harwell? - Yeah? 514 00:29:48,571 --> 00:29:51,442 I'm Gary Noesner, Head Negotiator, FBI. 515 00:29:52,308 --> 00:29:54,710 Mm. Can I help you? 516 00:29:55,879 --> 00:29:58,015 - You mind? - [MURMURS] 517 00:30:00,350 --> 00:30:01,751 Well... 518 00:30:02,616 --> 00:30:04,397 when I can't get a guy to trust me, 519 00:30:04,436 --> 00:30:06,577 I try and find someone he will trust. 520 00:30:08,290 --> 00:30:10,460 And David Koresh trusts you. 521 00:30:11,228 --> 00:30:12,129 Mm. 522 00:30:14,363 --> 00:30:15,833 I could really use your help. 523 00:30:19,768 --> 00:30:21,403 [PHONE RINGING] 524 00:30:21,537 --> 00:30:22,873 [GRUNTS] 525 00:30:23,739 --> 00:30:25,575 [RINGING CONTINUES] 526 00:30:28,879 --> 00:30:33,183 - [GROANS] This is David. - David, it's Sheriff Harwell. 527 00:30:33,316 --> 00:30:34,884 [SIGHS] 528 00:30:35,652 --> 00:30:36,953 Hey, Jack. 529 00:30:38,188 --> 00:30:40,523 Sure is nice to hear a friendly voice. 530 00:30:40,655 --> 00:30:43,960 David, I came down here today 531 00:30:44,094 --> 00:30:46,696 because I wanna make sure that those babies get the milk they need. 532 00:30:47,463 --> 00:30:49,046 Well, they said on the news 533 00:30:49,070 --> 00:30:51,640 it was us refusing to make this happen, Jack. 534 00:30:52,453 --> 00:30:53,937 It's just... 535 00:30:55,505 --> 00:30:58,274 these are our children they're asking us to give up. 536 00:30:58,408 --> 00:30:59,976 I understand, but... 537 00:31:00,110 --> 00:31:03,413 it might not be the worst thing to get the babies fed, 538 00:31:03,546 --> 00:31:07,316 and at the same time, get some of your other kids out of harm's way. 539 00:31:08,084 --> 00:31:11,220 - You know what I'm saying? - Yeah, I do. 540 00:31:11,354 --> 00:31:15,258 Good. Now, David, how much milk do you think you need? 541 00:31:17,326 --> 00:31:19,997 - Six gallons will do. - All right. 542 00:31:20,764 --> 00:31:22,799 Now, David, I'm gonna get ya the six gallons, 543 00:31:22,932 --> 00:31:24,711 but you gotta keep a level head in this 544 00:31:24,735 --> 00:31:26,570 while we try to resolve this thing. 545 00:31:27,069 --> 00:31:29,939 Thank you, Jack. You're a good man. 546 00:31:31,574 --> 00:31:34,544 Look, I just don't think we should make it so easy on 'em. 547 00:31:34,677 --> 00:31:36,613 Jesus. You think we made it easy on 'em? 548 00:31:36,746 --> 00:31:39,349 They agreed to send their kids out, for Christ's sake. 549 00:31:39,481 --> 00:31:42,418 Right now, the only card we have to play is creating goodwill. 550 00:31:42,552 --> 00:31:46,122 No, it's not. That's your only card, Gary. 551 00:31:46,256 --> 00:31:47,556 [SIGHS] 552 00:31:48,357 --> 00:31:50,661 [GARY] Look, the people they're sending out won't talk. 553 00:31:50,794 --> 00:31:53,229 And we have no idea what's going on in there... 554 00:31:53,363 --> 00:31:54,663 what they're planning to do. 555 00:31:54,797 --> 00:31:56,632 All right. What's your point, Noesner? 556 00:31:56,767 --> 00:31:59,902 If we send the milk in and bug it somehow... 557 00:32:00,036 --> 00:32:01,770 we'll have ears inside. 558 00:32:03,238 --> 00:32:07,810 That'll help me with negotiations, and Mitch, tactically. 559 00:32:18,130 --> 00:32:19,189 Do it. 560 00:32:33,596 --> 00:32:37,902 _ 561 00:32:38,863 --> 00:32:40,732 - Judy, you need... - Shh. 562 00:32:40,867 --> 00:32:42,468 [WHISPERS] Just got her to sleep. 563 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,902 What's going on? 564 00:32:44,837 --> 00:32:46,899 - Are there more people going? - Yeah. 565 00:32:47,532 --> 00:32:49,267 And I want you and Mayanah to be two of 'em. 566 00:32:49,401 --> 00:32:51,436 No. I already told you, Steve. I can't go... 567 00:32:51,569 --> 00:32:53,966 Well, this is not about you anymore. This is about Mayanah. 568 00:32:54,673 --> 00:32:57,896 You asked me to look out for her like she was my own. 569 00:32:58,004 --> 00:33:00,746 Well, that's what I'm doing. This is what that looks like. 570 00:33:00,794 --> 00:33:02,429 I don't trust the people out there, though, Steve. 571 00:33:02,563 --> 00:33:04,065 I don't trust them. 572 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,368 I know. 573 00:33:08,336 --> 00:33:11,974 What about you? I can't leave you. 574 00:33:13,742 --> 00:33:14,976 I should stay. 575 00:33:20,380 --> 00:33:23,151 - It's the right thing to do. - [JUDY SIGHS] 576 00:33:23,985 --> 00:33:27,487 Hey, Luke. I'm gonna miss that inquisitive mind. 577 00:33:27,621 --> 00:33:31,192 I want you to take care of your mama. All right, give me a hug. 578 00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:34,029 [DAVID] Okay. 579 00:33:46,342 --> 00:33:47,575 All right. 580 00:33:48,577 --> 00:33:51,279 What are Judy and Mayanah doing in the hallway? 581 00:33:51,413 --> 00:33:52,815 'Cause they're leaving. 582 00:33:54,782 --> 00:33:56,851 Six gallons. Bugs are in the crate. 583 00:33:56,984 --> 00:33:58,887 Need a vest? 584 00:34:00,088 --> 00:34:02,057 They don't wanna shoot me. 585 00:34:03,490 --> 00:34:05,193 All right. 586 00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:10,999 [DAVID GRUNTS] Is that everyone? 587 00:34:14,836 --> 00:34:18,173 Um, Dave, I'd like you to send out... 588 00:34:18,939 --> 00:34:20,742 Judy and Mayanah. 589 00:34:22,611 --> 00:34:23,846 No. 590 00:34:24,611 --> 00:34:26,013 I can't do that. 591 00:34:28,416 --> 00:34:30,051 [FAINTLY] Okay. 592 00:34:32,988 --> 00:34:35,323 You know, I've never asked you for anything. 593 00:34:38,410 --> 00:34:39,754 In all the years I've known you, 594 00:34:39,801 --> 00:34:42,051 everything I have done has been for you. 595 00:34:43,497 --> 00:34:47,935 Please, David. I'm asking you this one thing. 596 00:34:49,437 --> 00:34:51,272 And I'll talk to Judy. 597 00:34:51,405 --> 00:34:54,208 She can just tell them that... that Mayanah is my daughter. 598 00:34:58,946 --> 00:35:00,515 But, Steve... 599 00:35:01,615 --> 00:35:04,151 she's not your daughter. 600 00:35:04,285 --> 00:35:06,021 She's mine. 601 00:35:12,292 --> 00:35:14,195 Right. 602 00:35:14,995 --> 00:35:16,164 [FAINTLY] Right. 603 00:35:20,968 --> 00:35:22,169 I wanna stay with you. 604 00:35:22,303 --> 00:35:24,204 Oh, I wanna stay with you, too, baby. 605 00:35:24,338 --> 00:35:26,206 - But God wants me to stay here. - [CHILD] Mommy...? 606 00:35:26,341 --> 00:35:30,112 And I need to keep you safe, okay? 607 00:35:39,187 --> 00:35:41,490 You're the greatest gift God ever gave me. 608 00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:05,580 [STEVE] Let's go. 609 00:36:15,122 --> 00:36:18,292 Hey, guys. Right up here. 610 00:36:19,060 --> 00:36:20,894 - You got it? Come here. - [CHILD WHIMPERS] 611 00:36:21,028 --> 00:36:25,033 Come here, buddy. Come here. Come here. Let's go. Come on with me. 612 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,269 How many guns you think they're pointing at us right now? 613 00:36:29,070 --> 00:36:31,872 - I bet a lot. - [WAYNE CHUCKLES] 614 00:36:49,024 --> 00:36:53,661 - Steve, hi. Wayne, Gary Noesner. - Hey. 615 00:36:54,461 --> 00:36:56,897 - [GARY] Hi. - Yeah, I've seen your video. 616 00:36:57,932 --> 00:37:00,301 But I'm sure I'm much better-looking in person, right? 617 00:37:00,434 --> 00:37:03,670 Let's just say that you got a pretty good face for radio. 618 00:37:03,803 --> 00:37:06,807 - [CHUCKLING] - Could we just get this over with? 619 00:37:06,941 --> 00:37:08,576 Yeah, sure. I'm sorry. 620 00:37:08,709 --> 00:37:10,979 Steve, can I talk to you for a minute, just you and I? 621 00:37:11,812 --> 00:37:13,649 Yeah. It's okay. 622 00:37:19,553 --> 00:37:22,657 You need to know your people are in a lot more danger than you think. 623 00:37:25,258 --> 00:37:27,861 And in my experience, the longer these situations go on, 624 00:37:27,995 --> 00:37:30,231 the more erratic people's behavior gets. 625 00:37:31,198 --> 00:37:32,966 Yeah, we're seeing that on our side, too. 626 00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:34,635 Uh-huh. 627 00:37:36,671 --> 00:37:39,274 - Can I ask you something, Steve? - Yeah. 628 00:37:40,207 --> 00:37:41,976 Whose child is Mayanah? 629 00:37:45,579 --> 00:37:47,681 We've all made a lot of sacrifices to be here. 630 00:37:47,814 --> 00:37:51,751 - She's David's child, isn't she? - I made a choice. 631 00:37:51,885 --> 00:37:53,554 Judy made a choice. 632 00:37:56,256 --> 00:37:58,659 How is she, Judy? I heard she was shot. 633 00:38:00,193 --> 00:38:01,929 - She's fine. - She's fine? 634 00:38:02,062 --> 00:38:04,932 She has a bullet in her, and her baby needs milk, but she's fine? 635 00:38:05,066 --> 00:38:07,635 She's still in there. Why is that? 636 00:38:08,602 --> 00:38:12,240 - Because we made a decision together... - No. No, I think 637 00:38:12,372 --> 00:38:14,307 David was the one who made that decision, not you. 638 00:38:14,441 --> 00:38:16,378 I think if it were up to you, 639 00:38:16,510 --> 00:38:19,547 Judy would be in that vehicle right now, with Mayanah. 640 00:38:21,983 --> 00:38:23,251 Am I wrong? 641 00:38:25,887 --> 00:38:27,722 Now, look, Steve, the thing you gotta realize 642 00:38:27,854 --> 00:38:31,191 is that you do have the power to make your own decisions. 643 00:38:32,158 --> 00:38:36,263 Decisions for you, for Judy, for Mayanah, for everyone in there 644 00:38:36,397 --> 00:38:40,001 who is waiting for someone to find the courage to lead them out. 645 00:38:44,104 --> 00:38:45,807 You know, it's funny... I can't tell you 646 00:38:45,941 --> 00:38:47,975 how many times I wanted to leave this place. 647 00:38:48,742 --> 00:38:52,480 And all the fire ants and the dust storms... 648 00:38:53,548 --> 00:38:55,383 and David. 649 00:38:56,184 --> 00:38:59,321 Oh, you're right. David's horrible. 650 00:39:00,321 --> 00:39:02,524 Self-centered, rude. 651 00:39:03,490 --> 00:39:07,594 I wish that God would have chosen 652 00:39:07,727 --> 00:39:13,001 any other person on the earth to speak through instead of him. 653 00:39:14,234 --> 00:39:15,903 But you know what? 654 00:39:16,671 --> 00:39:18,272 Despite everything you're saying, 655 00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:22,543 no one's explained to me what we did to deserve all this. 656 00:39:24,745 --> 00:39:27,682 You know, you have the power to end this, too. 657 00:39:28,649 --> 00:39:30,318 How's that? 658 00:39:32,419 --> 00:39:34,188 You could just leave. 659 00:39:37,925 --> 00:39:39,693 We weren't bothering anybody. 660 00:39:48,102 --> 00:39:49,470 Yeah, I know. 661 00:39:53,475 --> 00:39:55,043 Thanks for the milk. 662 00:40:04,922 --> 00:40:06,223 [CAMERA WHIRRING] 663 00:40:07,122 --> 00:40:09,592 All right. We're rolling. 664 00:40:10,686 --> 00:40:11,887 [DAVID] Okay. 665 00:40:13,662 --> 00:40:16,032 Say whatever you wanna say. 666 00:40:18,635 --> 00:40:20,137 Well... 667 00:40:22,905 --> 00:40:26,376 I just wanna say thanks a lot for killing my dad. 668 00:40:28,510 --> 00:40:30,480 My dad's name was Perry Jones. 669 00:40:31,548 --> 00:40:33,550 [RACHEL] He was an unarmed man. 670 00:40:34,850 --> 00:40:36,220 And... 671 00:40:38,388 --> 00:40:41,224 you just shot him through the door, so... 672 00:40:43,727 --> 00:40:44,762 thanks a lot. 673 00:40:51,667 --> 00:40:54,805 - And thanks for the milk. - Yeah, thanks for the milk. 674 00:41:01,010 --> 00:41:03,580 - [SNIFFLES] - [DAVID SIGHS] 675 00:41:05,816 --> 00:41:07,184 [GRUNTS] 676 00:41:10,888 --> 00:41:12,389 Wow. 677 00:41:13,155 --> 00:41:14,623 Is it bleeding again? 678 00:41:14,756 --> 00:41:18,093 - It's all over the pillow. - [DAVID SIGHS] Well... 679 00:41:18,227 --> 00:41:21,164 it ain't nothing for a tough guy like me. 680 00:41:22,031 --> 00:41:23,533 [CHUCKLES] 681 00:41:24,409 --> 00:41:27,261 A lot of beliefs people have may seem abnormal 682 00:41:27,285 --> 00:41:28,589 or strange to other people, 683 00:41:28,628 --> 00:41:30,874 but that doesn't mean it's not right, though. 684 00:41:31,874 --> 00:41:35,911 God speaks to me. I have a message to present. 685 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,415 And you may not believe that. 686 00:41:39,483 --> 00:41:41,618 If you don't believe that, then believe this, 687 00:41:41,751 --> 00:41:44,455 irrespective of God speaking to me. 688 00:41:47,858 --> 00:41:49,559 See this here? 689 00:41:50,526 --> 00:41:54,798 This is my family. May not be like your family. 690 00:41:55,631 --> 00:41:57,667 But you come pointing guns 691 00:41:57,801 --> 00:42:01,204 in the direction of my wives and my kids? 692 00:42:01,972 --> 00:42:07,211 Damn it, I will meet you at the door any time. 693 00:42:09,812 --> 00:42:12,383 I'm sorry some of you guys got shot. 694 00:42:13,450 --> 00:42:15,185 But, hey... 695 00:42:17,452 --> 00:42:20,356 God'll have to sort that out, won't He? 696 00:42:22,024 --> 00:42:23,327 [CLICKS] 697 00:42:25,595 --> 00:42:27,698 You still think you can reason with this guy? 698 00:42:39,108 --> 00:42:40,611 What are you gonna do with that? 699 00:42:43,914 --> 00:42:47,718 Can't let this get out. Makes him look too normal. 700 00:42:52,289 --> 00:42:53,656 [SIGHS] 701 00:42:53,789 --> 00:42:55,892 - [VOICES OVERLAPPING] - [CAR HORNS HONKING] 702 00:42:57,995 --> 00:42:59,229 [SIGHS] 703 00:42:59,997 --> 00:43:01,932 [SIREN WHOOPS] 704 00:43:01,933 --> 00:43:03,182 _ 705 00:43:03,221 --> 00:43:05,234 [VOICES YELLING] 706 00:43:11,508 --> 00:43:13,510 Your boy's alive. 707 00:43:16,211 --> 00:43:19,416 Thank you. Thank you. 708 00:43:26,990 --> 00:43:28,425 Okay. 709 00:43:31,961 --> 00:43:34,825 I wanted to thank you, Steve. 710 00:43:37,325 --> 00:43:38,723 For what? 711 00:43:38,834 --> 00:43:41,437 Taking care of everyone when I was down. 712 00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:44,741 And for not leaving. 713 00:43:45,609 --> 00:43:48,278 I know you've been having your doubts. 714 00:43:49,046 --> 00:43:50,347 I understand. 715 00:43:51,381 --> 00:43:55,551 Heck... I've had my own, too. 716 00:44:05,627 --> 00:44:08,432 - You need something? - Yeah. 717 00:44:10,166 --> 00:44:12,635 - Glass of milk would be nice. - [LAUGHING] 718 00:44:15,004 --> 00:44:18,908 - No, that's for the kids, David. - I know it is, 719 00:44:19,041 --> 00:44:21,611 but I just escaped death by the grace of God, 720 00:44:21,745 --> 00:44:25,147 and to be honest with you, milk would do us good. 721 00:44:25,281 --> 00:44:26,649 No one'll know, Steve. 722 00:44:26,783 --> 00:44:28,318 [STEVE] Glass of milk, I have to admit, 723 00:44:28,450 --> 00:44:30,627 would be pretty good right about now. 724 00:44:30,682 --> 00:44:32,564 [DAVID] That's a yes. 725 00:44:32,622 --> 00:44:34,925 Gonna be the best glass of milk we've ever had. 726 00:44:43,166 --> 00:44:47,771 They don't give a shit about those kids. When are you gonna see it? 727 00:44:48,738 --> 00:44:50,205 I see it. 728 00:44:50,339 --> 00:44:53,075 The only thing people like this respond to is pressure. 729 00:44:53,209 --> 00:44:55,912 Does it feel like they have any pressure on them to you? 730 00:44:56,678 --> 00:45:00,215 - They sure don't. - We been here, what, eight days? 731 00:45:00,349 --> 00:45:03,653 The only thing we have to show for it is, what, 19 people? 732 00:45:04,687 --> 00:45:07,023 We keep up at this rate, we'll be here till Christmas. 733 00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:09,458 [SIGHS] 734 00:45:09,591 --> 00:45:11,294 You been letting Gary do his thing. 735 00:45:12,062 --> 00:45:14,565 How 'bout you let me do a little of mine? 736 00:45:16,625 --> 00:45:18,271 [RON] And Bubba might say, 737 00:45:18,295 --> 00:45:20,646 "But ain't they messin' with young girls in there?" 738 00:45:20,702 --> 00:45:22,705 And I got this to say to Bubba. 739 00:45:24,006 --> 00:45:27,977 The ATF has no jurisdiction in matters of young girls. 740 00:45:28,111 --> 00:45:32,397 Or sex, or polygamy, or anything else they're talking about. 741 00:45:32,475 --> 00:45:34,417 It's none of their damn business. 742 00:45:34,551 --> 00:45:36,119 Their business... 743 00:45:36,251 --> 00:45:40,689 is alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. Period. 744 00:45:42,210 --> 00:45:46,213 And yes, David Koresh did marry his wife when she was 14. 745 00:45:46,316 --> 00:45:47,763 And you might have feelings about that, 746 00:45:47,896 --> 00:45:49,798 just like I have feelings about that myself. 747 00:45:49,932 --> 00:45:52,868 I have a daughter. I find the idea reprehensible. 748 00:45:53,002 --> 00:45:55,437 [RON] But according to Texas law, 749 00:45:55,571 --> 00:46:00,343 it is legal to marry a 14-year-old if her parents give consent. 750 00:46:01,109 --> 00:46:03,945 Which, again, I am not saying is right. 751 00:46:04,713 --> 00:46:06,582 But I am saying, if you have a problem with it, 752 00:46:06,716 --> 00:46:09,553 your problem is actually with Texas law. 753 00:46:10,452 --> 00:46:11,521 Not David Koresh. 754 00:46:11,655 --> 00:46:13,089 [ENGINE STOPS] 755 00:46:13,856 --> 00:46:16,192 [REPORTER] The Branch Davidians have hung a sheet outside the window 756 00:46:16,325 --> 00:46:17,827 saying they want the press. 757 00:46:17,961 --> 00:46:20,597 Reporters have their own take on the sign. 758 00:46:20,729 --> 00:46:23,233 [ALL] God help us, we are the press! 759 00:46:23,365 --> 00:46:26,479 [REPORTER 2] ...siege against the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas. 760 00:46:26,542 --> 00:46:28,412 And raise similar questions about the... 761 00:46:28,537 --> 00:46:31,306 I just don't understand why they won't let us talk to them. 762 00:46:31,441 --> 00:46:33,109 [REPORTER] Ma'am, if your son were here right... 763 00:46:33,242 --> 00:46:34,678 No, no. Go back. 764 00:46:34,810 --> 00:46:36,711 [MAN] ...web surrounded this house... 765 00:46:36,845 --> 00:46:38,249 [REPORTER] What would you want to tell him? 766 00:46:38,327 --> 00:46:39,475 If you want to look in the camera and speak to him, 767 00:46:39,536 --> 00:46:40,702 what would you want to say to him? 768 00:46:40,759 --> 00:46:41,928 Do you know her? 769 00:46:43,220 --> 00:46:44,921 That's my mom. 770 00:46:45,053 --> 00:46:47,490 Dave, honey... 771 00:46:49,254 --> 00:46:53,479 I know the last time you were home, I didn't listen very well. 772 00:46:53,562 --> 00:46:57,066 I... I got my issues with the Bible and stuff. 773 00:46:57,834 --> 00:47:00,303 And I know that you got a group in there 774 00:47:00,437 --> 00:47:03,540 that you really care about, and they're like family. 775 00:47:05,408 --> 00:47:09,154 But I'm your family. And you're the only family I've got. 776 00:47:09,217 --> 00:47:10,225 [SNIFFLES] 777 00:47:10,249 --> 00:47:13,264 And if anything ever happened to you, I don't know what I'd do. 778 00:47:13,381 --> 00:47:14,649 [SOBS] 779 00:47:14,783 --> 00:47:16,752 Thank you. 780 00:47:16,887 --> 00:47:19,822 Dave, please? Come out. 781 00:47:19,899 --> 00:47:23,500 And I promise I'm gonna be a better listener, okay? 782 00:47:24,993 --> 00:47:27,497 I promise I'm gonna be a better mother. 783 00:47:29,671 --> 00:47:32,052 So, please, just come on out. 784 00:47:33,171 --> 00:47:35,474 [BALENDA SNIFFLES, SOBS] Thank you. Thank you so much. 785 00:47:35,537 --> 00:47:36,572 [POPS] 786 00:47:37,372 --> 00:47:40,510 - [DAVID] Everyone stay calm. - [RACHEL] What happened? 787 00:48:06,186 --> 00:48:11,186